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Thinking with Somebody Else’s Head

An eight-part series on Keppe's book, hosted by Richard Lloyd Jones with psychoanalyst Cláudia Bernhardt Pacheco — an initiative of the Department of Theology.

Our Entangled Spiritual Reality

The influence no one talks about: the very real influence from the spiritual world.

32 min Transcript

Human Resonance with Evil

We explore the perverse human attraction to evil — and why it is not a metaphor.

42 min Transcript

Certainty of the Divine

Looking at the intricate way natural processes mesh together, we would be foolish to rule out a divine cause.

41 min Transcript

Man’s Greatest Enemy

We seldom in our modern world even think of putting temptation down to influence from nefarious spirits.

40 min Transcript

Seduction by Evil

Exorcism shows the possessed as unwilling recipients of spiritual invasion. Keppe states the opposite: we actually select the evil we want.

32 min Transcript

A Study of Temptation

Does temptation carry with it an obligation to control our temptations? That deserves more careful consideration today.

36 min Transcript

Dark Spirituality and Victimization

It is common in horrible situations to ask, “Where is God?” As if He had abandoned us. As if we were victims.

32 min Transcript

Power and Demonic Envy

Power and demonic envy: the appetite that cannot be satisfied because it is aimed at the wrong thing.

38 min Transcript

Episodes stream from the STOP Radio Network archive. Each one has a full transcript on stopradio.org, with the speaker identified and the text searchable.

About the series

Fourteen years of the same question.

Thinking with Somebody Else's Head has been broadcast since 2006, and these eight programmes apply its method to a single book. The format is conversation, not lecture: Richard Lloyd Jones asks the questions a sceptical listener would ask, and Cláudia Pacheco answers them from thirty years of clinical practice.

What emerges is not a defence of exorcism as usually practised, and not a defence of psychiatry as usually practised. It is an argument that both have been describing the same event from opposite sides of a wall — and that the wall itself is the pathology.

“The error of all these movies and exorcists in general is that they put Lucifer only in one person.”Norberto R. Keppe

The series assumes no prior reading. If you want the text first, the book is free; if you want the short version, start with the dialogue on the schizophrenic spiritual being.

The network

Three hundred more programmes where these came from.

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